The Antichrist will be a liberal!

Cardinal Giacomo Biffi

This is too good to pass up. I swear, I’m not making this up. From Times UK & Catholic Online:

March 02, 2007

Pope is warned of a green Antichrist

An arch-conservative cardinal chosen by the Pope to deliver this year’s Lenten meditations to the Vatican hierarchy has caused consternation by giving warning of an Antichrist who is “a pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist”.

Cardinal Giacomo Biffi, 78, who retired as Archbishop of Bologna three years ago, quoted Vladimir Solovyov (1853-1900), the Russian philosopher and mystic, as predicting that the Antichrist “will convoke an ecumenical council and seek the consensus of all the Christian confessions.

The “masses” would follow the Antichrist, “with the exception of small groups of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants” who would fight to prevent the watering down and ultimate destruction of the faith, he said.”

Ok stop it, stop it, STOP IT RIGHT THERE! Now WTF is that? The next Antichrist will be someone who is a “pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist”? The title of the post refers to it as “green” but that’s in the U.K. In the U.S. we know this means a liberal. A LIBERAL! Shit I’m scared.

You honestly want me to believe that the Antichrist will be a liberal? Give me a fucking break! Now I know the guy is old (78) and a religious nut, but several things struck me.

Here is one: the guy was named by the Pope himself. That tells you something right there.

The choice of Cardinal Biffi raised eyebrows in the Vatican, given his sometimes eccentric views. The cardinal gave a warning of the coming of the Antichrist during his two decades as the Archbishop of Bologna, and said that an “invasion” of Muslim immigrants was undermining Europe’s Christian values.

The choice of Lenten speaker has in the past given a clue to Vatican policy, although one source said that Cardinal Biffi had perhaps been chosen because his “verbal fireworks” would keep listeners awake.

I understand his concerns about immigration in general, and of course he’s allowed to have his own opinions, but count the above comment as strike two. “Verbal fireworks”? You’re supposed to love everyone Cardinal. Ever heard of the 10 Commandments?

Here’s strike 3. Bear with me on this guy’s logic…

Cardinal Biffi said that the Antichrist was not necessarily a person but “the reduction of Christianity to an ideology . . . The teaching that the great Russian philosopher left us is that Christianity cannot be reduced to a set of values. At the heart of being a Christian is the personal encounter with Jesus Christ.” But he quoted with approval from Solovyov’s Three Dialogues on War, Progress and the End of History, which suggests that the Antichrist is a real figure.

Cardinal Biffi said that Christianity stood for “absolute values, such as goodness, truth, beauty”. If “relative values” such as “solidarity, love of peace and respect for nature” became absolute, they would encourage “idolatry” and “put obstacles in the way of salvation”.

I don’t give a hoot that he is a Cardinal, here is one conservative idiot for ya’. I understand that values such as “goodness, truth, and beauty” are good wholesome Christian values… but things like “solidarity, love of peace and respect for nature” are not to be considered Christian values? And how the fuck could these values encourage “idolatry” and “put obstacles in the way of salvation”?

Only if you are a conservative idiot, that’s how. 1, 2, 3, you are out.

If I care about the environment – bad, not-Christlike. Love of peace? Peace is for pussies. Respect for nature? Hey, war is good! Jeez. It’s not being a liberal or a conservative that’s wrong, it is taking things to the extreme that is wrong.

However, what struck me the most is this: if the Antichrist will be a “pacifist, ecologist, and ecumenist” and antichrist means “the opposite of Christ“, then what does that make of Christ? Don’t get me wrong, that’s this idiot’s view, and I’m plenty sure the Cheneys, Coulters, and Dobsons of the world feel the same way, but what does this guy think Christ stands for?

Hmmm, lets see here.

Opposite of “pacifist” – how about “warmonger“?

Opposite of “ecologist” – how about “raping the Earth“?

Opposite of “ecumenist” – well we need to define the word first.

In a narrower and more common sense, ecumenism refers to the movement towards co-operation among Christians. For some people, ecumenism is based on the idea that there should be a single Christian Church, but normally it refers to Christians of different Christian denominations working together. Thus ecumenism in reality is usually just the promotion of co-operation and better understanding between religious groups or denominations, without aiming at unity.

The above doesn’t sound that bad on paper. Cooperation among Christians, more understanding… oh right, he’s a conservative idiot. So how about… I’m at a loss for words here. My IQ just dropped a couple of points trying to dissect this idiot. I was thinking of “go fuck yourself“, a la Dick Cheney, but there must surely be something better.

What do you all think?

59 Responses to The Antichrist will be a liberal!

  1. Jake says:

    Hmm, pacifist? OMG! Jesus was the Antichrist!!

  2. SharedHumanity says:

    Another example of the conservative need to fragment humanity into competing groups and ideologies. It is only when we recognize our shared humanity that we can eliminate the power that ideologues hold over us.

    I think Jesus would have considered those different then himself as the “Good Samaritan”. The message from this man is profoundly un-Christian.

  3. SharedHumanity says:

    Oh wait…..Oh my Gawd…..I must be the Anti-Christ!

  4. Dave says:

    I don’t think you can do much better than the man himself in this case:

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.”

  5. Robert says:

    Hmm…having been ordained as a Youth Pastor and been an active non-denominational Christian in both the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church, I can assure you this man needs a psychiatric evaluation.

    If we go back to Christian prophecies, which include the prophecies of St. Malachy, we find that the current pope is regarded as the “pacifist” or “peace-maker”:

    Gloria olivæ
    The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order, since a branch of the Benedictine order is called the Olivetans. St Benedict is said to have prophesied that before the end of the world, a member of his order would be Pope and would triumphantly lead the Church in its fight against evil. While the Holy Father chose the name “Benedict”, this does not seem enough to fulfil the prophecy. Nor is it clear how Benedict XVI (a Bavarian) is “Glory of the Olives”. Since he is said to have remarked in the Conclave after saying he would take the name Benedict that it was partly to honour Benedict XV, a pope of peace and reconciliation, perhaps Benedict XVI will be a peacemaker in the Church or in the World, and thus carry the olive branch.
    http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

    …a man of peace will be the Antichrist? Hmm…

    e. Pope Benedict XVI is mentioned in Sacred Scripture, in a hidden manner.

    “And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain apart. And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light. And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. And Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is well that we are here; if you wish, I will make three booths here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.” He was still speaking, when lo, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” When the disciples heard this, they fell on their faces, and were filled with awe. But Jesus came and touched them, saying, “Rise, and have no fear.” And when they lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.” (Mt 17:1-8).

    This passage from Sacred Scripture describes both a true historical event, which occurred to Jesus and his disciples, and a future event which will occur in the Church. Concerning the future event, the figures of Jesus, Moses, and Elijah represent Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. The transfiguration of Jesus represents a transfiguring event in the Christian Church. Peter represents the Pope of that time.

    The Church will experience an event that will begin to transfigure the Church to greater holiness. Pope Benedict XVI will be Pope at that time. Very soon after that event, Pope Benedict XVI will suggest to the world that three booths, that is, three places, be built in Jerusalem: a Temple, a Church, and a Mosque. He will suggest that the city of Jerusalem become a place of peace and of worship for all three religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.”>

    I don’t think the Antichrist will be a Liberal. For all I know, there are many Antichrists who walk the face of the earth; those that in their priesthood of Christ have molested, raped and emotionally destroyed the lives of many innocent children; those who preaching a diluted Gospel on TV have lived a double-life, engaging in illicit sexual activities, fraud, and many, many ungodly activities.

    The Antichrist will be a religious figure. I know it won’t be Pat Robertson, because he’s a psycho, but it may be Benedict for all I know. Or perhaps the pope who follows after him.

  6. RandyBastard says:

    OK, now you’ve done it!

    I’ve never read your blog before, but if this is the kind of stuff I can expect to find here… then I’m going to have to bookmark it and read it all the time.😉

    I remember when Christianity was a benign little myth that taught kindness toward our fellow man. Love thy neighbor and all that crap. It’s evolved (irony alert) into just another hate-filled cult run by money-hungry bastards.

  7. C Quil says:

    Now…that’s MY kind of antichrist.

  8. truly.equal says:

    Thanks everyone for your comments.

    Robert, I pretty much agree with your comments… there are figures of the “Antichrist” in our everyday life, such as those that advocate intolerance and violence, or those that don’t care for the poor. Shoot, I could make the case that president Bush is an Antichrist, based on his comments and past performance alone, but of course I would most likely be wrong. Based on what we have seen in the world in the last 20 years, the Antichrist would most likely be a neoconservative or a totalitarian.

    It’s kind of funny that the Pope could be the Antichrist… after all, Martin Luther and others thought the same thing.

    Who knows, maybe Ricky Martin is the antichrist. Or Ann Coulter. Yeah, I think it’s between Ann Coulter, Hannity or Dobson.🙂

    About him needing a psych evaluation… I keep telling people, as a medical student, that it’s not that you go “crazy” when you get older. If you are an intolerant idiot when you are young, you will probably be an idiot when you reach 80 if you don’t mature and learn from your mistakes. Lets just keep the old man hidden somewhere instead of giving him some pills!

    RandyBastard, you are more than welcome to add me to your blogroll!

  9. mpro says:

    I’m not defending the man, I don’t know enough about him either way, but just to play devils advocate (pun intended)…

    Stalin & Pol Pot were liberals, eco-terrorists have killed people in the name of the planet, and pacifists (or at a minimum anti-war protesters) have killed people as well. So is the idea really that unthinkable?

    Personally if I was going to rail against a religion that’s really hurting people today, I don’t think I’d choose the Catholics. Sure the inquisitions sucked, but that really was a long time ago…

  10. haha, this would be hilarious if it wasn’t so disturbing…

  11. Teresa says:

    Well I’m a new fan. I’ve had enough of intolerance. In fact, I hate intolerance. I think we should lock up all the intolerants and throw away the key. Well, anyway . . . thanks for your intelligence and passion, we need that in this crazy world.

  12. Layla says:

    Your perspective is entertaining to say the least. I am rather disturbed-do you know enough about the Bible to say what you do in this post? I am asking that respectfully, not in a critical sense.

    I do believe that there will be the coming of an “anti-christ” — be he liberal or not is of little consequence. The anti-christ will be against all things good-all things God-all things Jesus. The Book of Revelation is quite clear about the anti-christ.

    To put this in perspective – really all the anti-christ is and means is “all things that are against Jesus.” I realize I have over simplified this, but I have done so because the subject in and of itself is quite complex.

    So again I ask you — do you really know “enough” to be making a post such as this? — In all do respect.

  13. Stephen says:

    Layla,

    It is obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of the Bible and Christian thought that this guy does not know enough to say what he does. Furthermore, the reaction presented here is not thought out and reasoned — it is purely emotional, which is a sign of failure to consider the facts surrounding the case. It fails to take into account what the Bible actually says about anti-Christ, much of which encompasses the very attributes railed against in this post.

    It is becoming more and more common for people who are either not Christians or at best nominal Christians to respond in this manner when something about the faith does not line up with their worldview. You are right to ask the question you do — does the author of the post really have any grounds for a post such as this?

  14. AgingChild says:

    “Antichrist” = simply someone who is againgst “Christ(ianity)”. But re THE Antichrist, see the Catechism, 675-7, for the Church’s official view (http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c2a7.htm#I):

    “Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the ‘mystery of iniquity’ in the form of a religious deception offering [all] men [and women] an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

    “(The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the ‘intrinsically perverse’ political form of a secular messianism.)

    “The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.”

    This may not exactly clear things up, folks. But bear in mind that a man *in* the Church, from the fellow who wipes down the pews and kneelers, to Cardinal Biffi, and all the way up to His Holiness on the Throne of Peter himself, says something… he isn’t necessarily speaking *for* the Church, the mystical body of Christ. (Exception, of course, is when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, which is very seldom.)

    By its simplest definition, “conservative” means “looking out for your own needs first”, whereas “liberal” is “looking to the other person’s needs first”. If the Antichrist is to fool the majority of the world and Christianity, it will not be as an obvious, evil buffoon (e.g., George Bush II, Jong-Il Kim, Ahmedinajad, etc.); we can easily see that *that* particular emperor is pants-less.

    No; expect someone kindly, loving, patient, compassionate, big-hearted, generous, honorable, emulable, genuine-seeming, and so on. He will indeed care about the environment, the poor, AIDS, minorities, and so on. The antithesis of Jesus in aim and objective, he will be very Christ-like in appearance in manner. Expect him to be a church-goer, too.

    His means to ultimate success will be to seduce morally/spiritually as many people of the world as he can — Christians, yes, but also Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Parsees, Buddhists, Animists, Pagans… you name it. Picture someone seemingly able to bridge the prohibitive chasms separating all these traditions, even reconciling actual warring factions.

    Up to this point, all these things are good. He will have great charm and resources, and a genuine talent for marshalling more resources toward those on-the-surface great ideals. (Likely he will *not* exhibit any kind of miraculous powers, since that would identify him as being beyond merely human.) What we won’t be able to detect is that somehow, through this seduction, he will have gained our souls. I don’t know how, or I’d be arming myself (and you guys, too).

    Think… at what price can your soul be bought? I don’t mean money, sex, success, power, etc. How about this: would you repudiate your God and faith if someone could cure world hunger? Would you curse Jesus if that were someone’s price for stopping genocide?

    Brother!

    Personally, I think boffo Biffi is full *of* Bologna, and should retire from his current position, too. Yet, frustratingly, I find myself ending up on his same square of the board when it comes to picturing what the Antichrist would be like (and I’ve never given it this much though before — thanks, TrulyEqual… I think).

    I’m a die-hard liberal, yet very traditional practicing Catholic… and if the Antichrist is going to succeed in the West, he’s going to have to appeal to *me* and my kind; we’ve already seen how easy it is to morally seduce conservatives.

  15. scott says:

    I suspect that this guy’s feelings about “ecologists” is rooted in a fear of Deism.

    “What is the basis of Deism? Reason and nature.We see the design found throughout the known universe and this realization brings us to a sound belief in a Designer or God.”

    “How do Deists view God? We view God as an eternal entity whose power is equal to his/her will. The following quote from Albert Einstein also offers a good Deistic description of God: “My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”

  16. The top leadership of the catholic church doesn’t get it.

    What a Judaizer. So, I’m the anti-Christ for being against this war for non-Catholic, not even Christian, Christ-denying jews. Is this Bishop a indulgence selling money-changer? You bet. Exactly the kind that Jesus “Anti-Christ” Christ kicked out of the Temple with a hard sandle to the ass.

    The “masses” would follow the Antichrist, “with the exception of small groups of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants” who would fight to prevent the watering down and ultimate destruction of the faith, he said.”

    His statement is itself ecumenist. To be anti-ecumenist would be to completely reject the sanctity of the Orthodox and Protestant denominations, and stress the absolute supremacy of the Pope and Catholic church. But nevermind that.

    “supposed to love everyone Cardinal. Ever heard of the 10 Commandments?”

    You haven’t heard of them. Nothing about love in them.

    Christianity is mainly conserned with the absolute lordship of Christ and little else. Nothing about Values. That’s why approval of this war; sending your sons to die for Christ-denying jews is nothing but an apostate act; it gives spiritual citizenship to the jew and the Pagan State (USA); which means it pretends there is another way to the lord without Jesus, such as send our youth to die for the jew and the jewish nation, I don’t think so. Those politicians who traitorously send the youth of the west to feed the hebrew war leviathan are apostates and are going to hell, end of story. This Cardinal is a straight up punk-beyotch.

  17. Stephen says:

    For expressing a theological viewpoint? You’re off yer rocker.

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  19. truly.equal says:

    “Supposed to love everyone Cardinal. Ever heard of the 10 Commandments?”

    You haven’t heard of them. Nothing about love in them.

    I was brought up in a Catholic school, kinder to high school, and in catholic catechism we were taught that the first commandment is “you should love god above everything”.

    But according to Matthew 2;37-39:

    Jesus said to him, “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.” 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

    That is taught to little kids around here, at least in Spanish… the 10 Commandments down to their irreducible essence. I thought “thou shall not lie” applied here, but the guy really believes what he is saying, even if he is nuts.

    By saying, “yeah, the Antichrist will be a pacifist, an ecologist” you know he is not showing love to certain folks. He means it with a certain elitist disdain. Forget the philosophical argument, we got the message Cardinal.

    So guess what? I also read the Bible and therefore am qualified to make such comments. The counter-argument “are you really qualified to make such statements?” is a snide insult, as in “if you were a real, God-fearing Christian you would watch your mouth.” It’s a smear disguised as a critique. I’m already highly educated so it’s not like I can’t parse a couple of thoughtful sentences together. Just because I called the guy what he is – a conservative idiot – doesn’t mean I’m emotional and not rational.

    I personally like and believe in liberation theology, but some in the U.S. believe in Christianity a la James Dobson or Jerry Falwell: we’re right, they’re wrong, screw everyone else, they’re going to hell anyway, and we will be saved.

    My main point is that religion in general can be used either as a bridge or as a wedge, i.e., we can form bonds even if we disagree on certain things, or create division by saying, “hey, if you don’t believe what I just said, then you’re not a real Christian and I know you don’t want to be left out, right?”

    This guy is using it as a wedge. If you want to form a bond with me, that’s not the way to start, with his dumbass comments. I rather teach my children “love everyone like you love thyself and learn to forgive” than “remember the Sabbath”, because with loving God and others, you’re covered. You’re not going to kill or lie or cheat if you respect yourself and others. But people seem to forget that… they pick and choose a part of the Bible that is more sensationalistic, like the book of Revelations and the apocalypse, or the Antichrist, but forget about the simple, beautiful lessons that trascend cultures. I was taught “amar a Dios sobre todas las cosas y al projimo como a ti mismo”, which translates into “love God above all things and others like you love yourself”. Go ahead and tell me that by following that you’re not a good Christian. You will be. You can believe the other stuff if you want to. Basics, basics, basics.

    If they guy wants to use religion as a wedge, well, I got his wedge right here.

  20. robyn says:

    Wow! Then I know lots of Antichrists…! Thanks for this post! I continue to love my virtual visits here!

  21. Jeff Ventura says:

    As far as I take things like this, you have here a minor rant from a man to devoted his life to superstition, taboo, and a system of mysticism that’s intolerant of anything that contradicts its own tenets.

    As Dawkins and Harris say, faith is a virus. Here we are in the 21st century, and we cannot bring to bear the creativity and rationality of our time. Why? Because so many still are unwilling to look at faith in a literal sense as a problem. Until silly notions like “the antichrist” can be unmade, we have little hope of constructive conversations about any real challenge facing humanity, be it the search for real spirituality, the furthering of real morality (read: mitigation of suffering), and the improvement of the human condition.

    I write a lot about this sort of thing at Graceful Flavor, my blog.

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  23. BC says:

    Personally, the way I read it is that the loon is actually suggesting that the anti-christ is not literally a person or someone who will bring about the end of the world. I’m reading it as the anti-christ may bring the end of the world of the Christian church. Lets be honest, environmentalism, pacifism & bringing together people will render the church redundant.
    So, either he is a lunatic as first appears or a insightful old codger speaking about the threat of the death of his business.

    =my2c

    BC

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  25. Pacifists?

    Didn’t the Boston Archdiocese run a daycare center called “The Hairy Pacifier”?

    ~S

  26. Red says:

    Antichrist? Oh yeah, i bet that this guy is referring to the present Pope himself benedict the sixteenth.

    Liberal, i strongly agree. and this Liberal would really must destroy the old and Give way for the new. Its time for the snake to shed its skin!

  27. pope of kali says:

    I see here a misconception of whom is to blame to be Antichrist. Antichrist is a system and a system is the church of kali. Mithras is the religion that Rome had as Caesar caught his second wife to be the priestess of Bona Dea. This woman was in reality Caesar’s sister- a Julia was she. She was Antichrist in her time- the chiefpriestess of mithras in Rome. Her children happened to be Maria Magdalena and Lucius Vitellius- father and mother of Jesus Christ they both were.
    Out of evil comes good and out off a system of deceit comes salvation. Bona Dea became Caesars secret service- later to be installed in the lateran. Caesar learnt that his second wife was a bitch- her murderer was a young guy with the name Augustus or Octavianus. This Octavian(He was born in Rome (or Velletri) on September 23, 63 BC with the name Gaius Octavius. His father, of the same name, came from a respectable but undistinguished family of the equestrian order and was governor of Macedonia) adopted a young man (after all had he no male successors)- this man was Lucius Vitellius Secundo. Lucius Vitellius Secundo went as he was thirteen years of age to Judea, where his stepfather Caiaphas reigned. That Caiaphas had married Maria Magdalena Arithimae- this woman was Jesus mother. Caiaphas had once a dual citizenship- after all was he a Roman called Joseph Arithimae. He was once Germanicus the Elder, who had to hide as his brother had tried to kill him. Seneca the Elder had his friend Germanicus convinced that he should vanish from Germany. The Roman troops in Judea of that time and later was Germanicus legion- all comes together. Seneca the Elder was as you maybe have guessed John the Baptist.
    By the way if you have missed the true message: after Jesus was killed on the cross did his stepbrother Artebanus take on his shoulders to be Lucius Vitellius, whose son was Aulus Vitellius. That Aulus was then the first pope of the newly founded catholic church- pope Peter the I was as a fact a Caesar and Pontifex Maximus. He was martyred but this is a completely other story.
    Who is here the antichrist do you ask- the church or the men leading the system into disasters?
    nowadays Antichrists scream and talk from the pulpits propagating there message. KILL THE ENEMIES- KILL THEM ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE.
    They live in USA and they call themselves dominionists and their church is that of ANTICHRIST! By the fruits can these be identified!
    A long story is here told but revelation will lead into more understanding- soon will you understand that this man called Christ has a dual citizenship as well!

  28. markrmorris2 says:

    Wow,maybe you’re IQ was not too high in the first place. When going on a rampage be sure to check your facts first. The ten commandments say nothing about loving anybody outside your own family, well they do tell you not to love your neighbors wife too much. I think you may be referring to what is commonly known as ” the golden rule” do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or perhaps Christ’s response to the Pharisees question about the greatest commandment,Love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and strength, and the second is like it love the neighbor as yourself. Also I am a bit confused, you seem to be commenting on Christianity from an inside viewpoint, are you a christian?

  29. pope of kali says:

    Lets walk to starbucks together and enjoy a cup of coffee.
    That is religion, what religion is understood to be now is merely a misconception of how to drink coffee at starbucks.
    To know God on a personal level is to check that prices on coffee has not got off the hook.
    Maybe if I would explain myself- ten commandments, who do you believe wrote those?
    You may use these commandments literally but I have been counting those telling to follow them- and I had found none. Maybe one or two faithfull but this would stretch my patience to look further.
    Take this as an advice and this is for yeh understanding- you talk with God if you talk with your neighbour. You have a personal relationship with God if you see with his eyes of how they mistreat their neighbor, let alone treat their fellow man, woman and child.
    If you scream to to the gallows with that or this brat then have you missed that you have insulted him or her, not treating them as you would like to treat yourself.
    By the way this conversation leads into a catastrophe- I have no coffee cup here in this forum. But as times washes the shores of Gods own little coffee shop am I sure that you will surely stroll into starbucks, there to meet a fellow man or woman. Have then a fine chat, sharing love and understanding. This is Christianity- in a nut shell though.
    Slandering is quite the opposite- God does listen quite but if HE has enough. Then seek shelter- you will soon understand!
    By the way, those lines as told are true but you cannot see this to be. Take a coffee break and you will surely understand. I do this occasionally- by the way I love starbucks but the price for a cup of coffee is pretty hefty. Then do I sit watching all those who cannot hear me talking with the Almighty One.
    I have a pretty close relationship with his Highness- this is why I know what I wrote down. For you all to read- why should you not know off what i talk with him.
    Do not come with these accusations that here is a schizophrenic telling of how to medicate- medicine should be for all. After all do the most not understand that God is everywhere and anywhere.

  30. bananasfk says:

    Does that mean that catholic priests can rape [Boston,USA] choir boys to there hearts content being that is what Adam Smith the famous economist thought ? about supply and demand.

    Chuckle.

  31. Sam Hensel says:

    Jesus himself was a pacifist. This guy’s a kook.

  32. truly.equal says:

    I think you may be referring to what is commonly known as ” the golden rule” do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Or perhaps Christ’s response to the Pharisees question about the greatest commandment, Love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and strength, and the second is like it love the neighbor as yourself. Also I am a bit confused, you seem to be commenting on Christianity from an inside viewpoint, are you a christian?

    Wow, another one that asks me if I’m a Christian because I don’t believe what this guy is saying. What do you think? Yes I am, but I don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

    As for Christ’s response to the Pharisees, yes, you’re absolutely correct. In fact I quoted exactly from Matthew 2; 37-39 and gave a link to it in one of my responses. I don’t know if my IQ is high enough, but apparently some “believers” relish in the fact that the 10 Commandments don’t contain anything about “love” in them, like loving someone outside your family, as if that were a good thing. It’s not… isn’t this wrong? Kind of a shame, ain’t it? When we asked this in school, the very thoughtful replies we got from priests and nuns is that all commandments, all of them, can be traced and have love of God and others at their basis.

    “Do not kill”? – love of life, respect of life, love of others and of yourself (yes, drinking yourself silly breaks this commandment, because you are not treating your body with the respect it deserves).

    Likewise with the rests of the commandments… again, having people focus on the Antichrist instead of respecting others is honestly a waste of time. Loving others and forgiving is Christianity at its irreducible essence. Again people forget that… they’re experts in finding and remembering passages in the Old Testament but hardly know, and practice, Jesus’s teachings. “Christianity” has the word “Christ” in it, ya know? One gets kind of tired fighting religious nuts who see what is not there – the AntiChrist as a liberal – but ignore what is plainly obvious: that Jesus is love, and using his name to boost every stupid thought charlatans come up with is wrong.

  33. Another example of the conservative need to fragment humanity into competing groups and ideologies.

    I was unable to ignore the irony of this statement.

  34. Dan says:

    OMGZ0R j3sus was the anti-christ

    fuck it to quote nietzsche God is Dead.

  35. Without hate or rose colored glasses says:

    How funny so many people today seem to want to show how much they can hate others who don’t think their way. We laughingly call conservatives, religous nuts and idiots. What we have today isn’t religon, but mankinds religon. We quote passages from the Bible, but have never looked them up to see if they in fact exist. We heard it some where and take it as fact. It’s like taking the daily show as real news or think just because dan rather was on TV for so long that what he says is fact. He was, like so many others, nothing more then a script reader.
    It’s sad to think that in a very short time this country will no longer exist. Yes, I hear the cheers of the hate America people. It’ll give comfort to those that blame Bush and Chaney or one party or the other, for all their problems and the problems of the world. We all calim to take responsiblity for our own actions and lives, but still expect the government to take care of us from cradle to grave. After we paid our taxes, didn’t we? We yell to the world how everyone has the right to say what is on their mind and yet do eveything thing we can to shut them up. We shout to them, FREEDOM, but are willing to let them live in oppression.
    The Antichrist, a liberal? I don’t know. I do know he will be the one that can fool the most Selfish, Hate filled, and Weak minded people of the world.

  36. markrmorris2 says:

    Dude,
    You are preaching love to the cardinal in a hate letter,hmmm? Drink the koolaid? I was merely pointing out that you referred to the ten commandments when you mentioned love, your words, not mine. As for stupid conservatives nothing burns me more than the knee jerk reaction most of the Church in America has to things in general, especially concerning, dare I say it? SEX but you are trying to say that the man is labling a group of people in a diatribe that obviously falls in that same category. My question was not in regard to the genuineness of your faith I was honestly asking if you were. Notice, did not say , think you are, claim to be or anything of the sort. Sorry about the IQ comment probably a little snyde on my part, editing not one of my strong suits after being up all night at my sons ten year birthday sleepover.
    Let me try again. you have some very valid points, however I think that your scriptural reference to the 10 Commandments was off target and the answer of Jesus to the Pharisees may have proven your point more effectively. Also, in most circles the constant use of obscenity, while charming I am sure is usually seen as a lack of adequate vocabulary, or indifference to moral values, ergo my question, are you a christian? Now that we have established the fact that you are, my question is resolved.

  37. Brent says:

    I do know he will be the one that can fool the most Selfish, Hate filled, and Weak minded people of the world.

    a liberal = the most selfish, hate filled, and weak minded people of the world.

    Therefore, draw your own conclusions. Most liberals already hate Christians, so how hard could it possibly be to make them follow someone who reiterates their hateful beliefs anyway?

    Why don’t you read the Bible for yourself, before drawing conclusions about what it preaches? It does suggest that the Anti-Christ will rise to power through peace, and be the broker of a peace treaty in Israel. He will also suggest that all religions are the same. Who else says this?

  38. truly.equal says:

    Brokering a peace treaty in Israel is a bad thing? To whom??

  39. Brent says:

    Brokering a peace treaty in Israel is a bad thing? To whom??

    Of course this isn’t a bad thing.

    But this is how he will rise to a global dictatorship. It is phony treaty. That is the point. It will be broken.

  40. Daniel Downs says:

    It was Vladimir Solovyov who claimed Antichrist would be a pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist. Cardinal Biffi may agree, but his real point seems to be continued possibility of denying that Christ is the God’s only means of salvation. Christ, not the view of liberalism-humanism that has made evolutionary science, education and for some govenment welfare, is humanity’s salvation. Anti-christ, a pacifist? The book of Daniel and apostle Paul taught Anti-christ would destroy through peace. I have been listen to Israelis whose comments on the results of Oslo remind me of this very thing. Not only that, but the first epistle of John, teaches the spirit of the anti-christ already exists in the world. In earlier part of that epistles it speaks of false prophets and testing their spirit, e.g. to see if their were following the anti-christ spirit….

  41. […] I’m beginning to get the knack of pushing the hotter buttons. Yesterday’s posting on a blog from Friday by a fellow named TrulyEqual garnered me a couple comments (including from that author); I’m […]

  42. the Wayfarer says:

    I hereby declare myself a candidate for Antichrist, as the beloved Cardinal has clearly unmasked me.

  43. healtheland says:

    The anti – Christ, or more accurately the beast, will NOT be a pacifist. Instead, he will come proclaiming peace, but will wage war. He will claim that warfare will be necessary to “defeat the enemies of peace”; that in order for there to be peace all enemies of peace – which will conveniently be all HIS enemies – must be destroyed. The beast will basically be a fascist, but one that is all things to all people, and not one that has definably by any ideology. The “Left Behind” types who all claim that the beast will will be an EU or UN type in order to provoke their current political enemies are doing the world a huge disservice … performing the beast’s agenda I dare say. As a matter of fact, I think that I will update my post that I just happened to make today on this very subject. If you want to follow it, here goes: http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/one-thing-that-the-hollywood-liberals-are-right-about-fascism/

  44. […] the next Antichrist of the Universe. Well, I might as well be open about it since Cardinal Biffi has clearly unmasked me. Pacifist, ecologist, ecumenist…why I seem to fit all three! Or perhaps I should take the […]

  45. jtimmerman says:

    To paraphrase: What the Cardinal just said is in no way close to the correct interpretation of Christianity. We are all dumber for having heard it. I award no points and may God have mercy on his soul.

  46. truly.equal says:

    Healtheland, you just nailed it. If there is an Antichrist and the bastard decides to show up, he’s not going to be a “pacifist”. He is going to claim to be one. God, how stupid are some people? Jesus was a pacifist.

    Like I said, love and respect others and you’ll be fine.

  47. yhurg says:

    At the risk of getting caught up in all this mindless chatter, here is a fitting blog entry for those with such classless mouths to consider. If you aren’t going to put unbiased and deferential thought into things, you are being hypocritical and eating your own judgment. You want truth and you want justice, but you want it without a cost. The Cardinal, like each of us, deserves the same respect you are asking the world to give you. If you are going to classify this blog as a place of equality then live up to the standard.

  48. dcnet says:

    I’m giving the Cardinal the benefit of the doubt and assuming his wording used by the Cardinal is very sloppy. Words have meaning that are often twisted or otherwise:

    Is the Antichrist a liberal. Not in the true sense of the word.However many on the left are Leftwing fascists or Leftwing Nazis who guise their totalitarianism as Liberalism. The antichrist could certianly be that. The description of the Image of the Beast in Rev 13 could be a description of syndicalism.

    Is the antichrist a pacifist.Not in the true sense of the word, but he may very well use a false peace to disarm his enemies.During Both the Vietnam War and the War in Iraq many selective used pacifist arguments to condemn America while ignoring atrocities on the other side. The antichrist will do the same. Daniel 8:23-25 describes a man like the antichrist using peace to destroy many.

    Is the antichrist an ecumenical. Yes, in the sense that he will seek to unites all of the world’s religions. This ecumenicalism, however, is not absolutely universal. Only those who are willing to be manipulated by the antichrist in his quest to control people will be allowed religious freedom. All other will be persecuted. The antichrist’s ecumenicalism will be like the Nazis. I suspect that the Cardinal was deliberately vague on ecumenicalism because he Catholic Church is playing the same game. Using ecumenicalism as a way to manipulate.

  49. […] Whimsy The antichrist will be a liberal   […]

  50. healtheland says:

    truly.equal:

    Jesus, the transliterated name given to Yeshua HaMashiach, was a pacifist? Well, not in the sense that the word is used. It was desired of the Messiah that He lead a revolt against the Roman empire that was brutally subjugated the Jews, but He declined it, not because of pacifist political leanings, but rather because His duties on earth were spiritual, not political. But did Yeshua HaMashiach oppose warfare and violence of all kinds and for all reasons? I have not seen anything in the scriptures that would indicate that, and quite frankly have seen more evidence to the contrary. Realize that people misunderstand the title “Prince of Peace” given to Yeshua HaMashiach, perceiving it to mean that He came to bring peace between men or nations. But that would contradict His own teachings where He said in the scriptures, which was that not only would warfare and violence still exist until His return, but that they would greatly increase over time (who can deny that His prophecy in that regards came true)? Instead, that title refers to His bringing peace between man and GOD; His removing the curse that God placed on mankind because of Adam’s sin.

    And as far as “Like I said, love and respect others and you’ll be fine”, well the primary concern should be loving GOD. THEN one can set himself about loving others. How does one love God? Well, as Yeshua HaMashiach said, if you love God, then you will keep His Commandments! The only way to love God is through obedience to Him. If you obey God – who incidentally also tells you to love people so that covers that base as well – THEN you will be fine. Otherwise … well we will not go there at this time.

  51. truly.equal says:

    Healtheland, no offense, I rather have love and respect others first. You know why? Because there are plenty of pricks in this world who “believe” in God but treat their fellow men like shit. Think Dobson, Falwell, or the whole bunch that is in the White House right now for that matter.

    They believe that by reading the Bible alone, and going to Church alone, and saying “I’m a Christian” alone, “loving” God is enough. Plenty of idiots love their God, but behave like, well, idiots. Yes, we can argue that they don’t really love God they way they should, but that’s akin to telling a Christian “you’re not a Christian”, which I believe is slightly worse than calling their mother a whore (that’s a joke!). I have seen much pain, misery and suffering in the world, in other parts of the world as well, and much of that stems from not communicating effectively and not loving and respecting others. But guess what? They all loved God – in their own little way.

    Again, I rather teach my children to love, respect and forgive others first. They could worship Buddha for all I care for, but if my children grow up to be loving, humane, wonderful human beings, treat their spouses and children like royalty, respect others and remember and take care of their parents when they get older (because I’m really getting fucking older) then guess what? They turned out fine, and have earned their place in heaven.

    I curse a lot – and a warning is prominently displayed in the banner of this webpage – but read thorough some of the stories on this website and tell me that the primary concern should be loving God. All of these people love God, in their own way, but have so little love and concern for each other that the spiritual level they claim to be at has correlation to the shit they do in real life.

    That’s just my take.

  52. Has everyone forgotten Ronald [6] Wilson [6] Reagan [6]???

    The whole Reaganista movement has give rise to the biblehumpers on power trips, and since it’s now in vogue to blame this administration’s problems on the previous one…Ronnie is the root of all evil. Besides dealing with terrorists, he also schooled bin Laden AND gave Saddam the WMDs to kill the Kurds…

  53. healtheland says:

    truly.equal:

    Well, I think that you sort of omitted a key part of my statement. The only way to love God is to keep His Commandments, and one of His Commandments is to love your fellow man. Yeshua HaMashiach Himself said that the person who claims to love God and hate his fellow man does not love God at all but rather is a liar. So, the people that “Because there are plenty of pricks in this world who “believe” in God but treat their fellow men like …” fall into that category. There is a big difference between believing in God and loving God.

    As far as your kids earning their way into Heaven; how does one do that precisely? By being a good person? Well, I dare say that one does not have to believe in the God of the Bible to be a good, moral person. One does not even believe in God at all. And you know what? A person does not have to love other people to be a good person. One is perfectly capable of treating other people with respect without loving them. It is far more possible to hate people that you never have to deal with while loving people that you do. For instance, if you plain don’t like black people, move to Idaho. (And if you plain don’t like white people, move to Washington D.C. or Gary, Indiana.) If you never see a black (or white) person, then you will, I guess, never have the opportunity to act hatefully or immorally towards them. But though your actions might be pure, the hate is still in your heart! So, can someone with hate in their heart earn their way into Heaven?

  54. […] the next Antichrist of the Universe. Well, I might as well be open about it since Cardinal Biffi has clearly unmasked me. Pacifist, ecologist, ecumenist…why I seem to fit all three! Or perhaps I should take the […]

  55. patmosisle says:

    The man of sin will be one man, a False Prophet, as John the Revelator called him. (Rev.16:13; 19:20; 20:10). He will be the greatest religious imposter ever on the earth & appears during these End Times as scriptures predict.

    He will appear to the unsuspecting world as a man of sacrifice as the Apostle John stated having “2 horns like a lamb” (symbolizing a religious man of sacrifice)…(Rev.13:11).

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    GO TO: http://www.Heisnear.com, then LOOK @ “Here is Wisdom”, a major prophetical word to God’s anointed leaders & His people, made public since Feb.1, 2006. (No charge at this time at http://www.Heisnear.com; although the ebook is sold at Amazon’s Ebook site).

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  57. […] Well, I have just proposed that the anti – Christ will be racist, though I disagree with those who say that he will be liberal. In any event, liberals will CERTAINLY be working for the anti – Christ (as will conservatives and, […]

  58. imparare says:

    Interesting comments..😀

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